Re: [新聞] 62轟才是純淨紀錄?大聯盟總裁:交給球迷
※ 引述《polanco (polanco)》之銘言:
: 噓 HsiangFly: 為何媒體都要刻意炒作法官是最純的? 當初不抓現在才 10/08 12:56: → HsiangFly: 來拿清朝的劍展明朝的官 10/08 12:56
: 推 Coffeewater: 官方不想統一標準 讓球迷繼續再吵100年吧 10/08 13:24: → Coffeewater: 那個時代就是有在吃藥 但沒認真管啊 10/08 13:25
現在有種說法好像是認為當時禁藥氾濫都是聯盟官方的錯
都是聯盟官方不制定規則放任球員打藥 才導致禁藥年代的產生
但這種說法其實完全忽略了球員方在制定藥檢規則上的腳色
首先 在美國工會法 規定是公司方不能單方面制定藥檢規則
必須要和工會談判達成協議後才能實施藥檢 (Johnson-Bateman Co. (NLRB 1989))
然而當時聯盟和球員對藥檢的態度又是如何呢? 參考2002年的這篇文獻回顧 (pg. 443)
https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112&context=jbl
After the Pittsburgh Drug Trials concluded, Ueberroth made a push for voluntarydrug-testing of all MLB players. The MLBPA rejected the plan in 1985, objectingto it because they believed drug-testing intrinsically presumed guilt on the
part of the players. ...
...
After experiments with such initiatives as sanctioning for drug use, a joint
management-players' association drug program, and unilateral League managementproposals, currently no systematic testing program or disciplinary regime in
baseball has been agreed upon through the vehicle of collective bargaining. Throughout this process, player objections to mandatory drug-testing have
included the notion that testing is an invasion of privacy, an insult to playerintegrity, and an ineffective deterrent of drug use (especially considering
there was no scientific data demonstrating widespread drug use among the
League's players).
從上回顧可知 早在1985年聯盟就希望推動藥檢程序 但球員工會方持續反對
理由包括: 對球員有罪推定 侵犯隱私 污辱球員道德 缺少阻嚇力
以至於到2002年聯盟都無法訂定可實施的藥檢規則
可以說禁藥年代的發生 有一大部分的原因就是球員自己兼裁判
一直以來阻止藥檢的實施 才讓工會成員能在這段時間內打藥打爽爽
然後等現在禁藥事件爆發後
卻又要球迷不要用有色眼光看待當時打藥的球員
恩...這是不是有點太過自助餐了阿
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願意吃禁藥其實也是用自己的身體賭一把
一樓ID不意外
一樓講得也沒錯啊,禁藥本身就是種七傷拳
吃了會把能力變好,但也會傷身體
當年A-Rod禁賽長度還能彈性調整就讓人懷疑聯盟自己也很有
問題了 就只是逼人家乖乖禁賽不然雙方都會死更慘
謝謝abc的分享
禁藥就是陸續吃出人命 大家才發現事情大條 不然之前都閉
隻眼
當時MLB時就不是「禁藥」
A-rod 邦茲我猜是衰退開始才吃
工會就是這樣啊 美國工會尤甚 就是為了會員利益而存
在的組織 一切言行目標就是對會員有利 你以為工會是
要成立來經世濟民的嗎?
原來球員工會可以阻止,自己都能擋還能叫共業時代嗎?
ARod自己都承認條子時期有使用了
就不要以後法官被人家查出禁藥,到時單季HR紀錄又倒退
就不要以後大谷被人家查出禁藥,到時二刀流紀錄直接不
見
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