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kggs
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時間推噓64 推:69 噓:5 →:29

我已經10年沒有在ptt發文了 格式跑掉不要怪我

這裡不討論 NovelAI 跟StableDiffusion 之間的八卦

我們來好好研究一下關於招喚術以及其詠唱咒文的心得



目前最好用的 Web UI:
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui

使用方式(設定要完全照著做才有二次元特化):
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/discussions/2017

簡易使用方式(圖文):
https://rentry.org/nai-speedrun

初級招喚術書:
https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/wiki/Features


為了方便用中文溝通 以下是形容詞對應:
Prompt = 咒文
Negative Prompt = 結界
Sampling Steps = 多重詠唱
Sampling Method = 咒文語言
CFG Scale = 注入的魔力量
Seed = 隨機




本文:

1. 咒語順序很重要

構圖先做 再做細節 最後才做光影

咒文會按照詠唱順序生效 已經固定的結構會很難修正

如果: 紅髮, 金髮 -> 那出來的會是全紅 金色會出不來

所以在詠唱的初期定義好身體結構也很重要

如果初期骨架是歪的 後面要下很多咒文才修的回來

當 [頭 -> 五官 -> 身體骨架 -> 手腳] 都完成後

就可以開始放配件來幫助填空

例如: 項鍊 戒指 手環

最後才開始調光




2. 咒語有比重 比重很重要

把咒文加上()就可以提高1.1比重

要往上我建議你直接打 (咒文:比重)

例如 (blue eye:1.5)

你的詠唱越加越長的話 前面的咒文會需要重新調整比例

這樣基礎的形才不會跑掉

比重好像不能超過1.9

但是如果你需要1.9也代表你順序有問題 應該重排咒文



3. 結界

一個萬用的就差不多了

在文字生成階段只要萬用的就好

等第二階段用圖生圖 (img2img) 的時候

才需要在萬用的上面 加入針對性的防禦結界




-- 基礎招喚 --

多重詠唱用 20 - 35 之間就夠了 我慣用 27

語言用 DDIM 這東西跟盧恩文字一樣屌 用就對了

長寬決定你的畫面構圖 看你需求 寬一點人的腳就很難畫進去

用512x512可以容易全身 用768x512比較好畫 用832x512比較容易當桌布

Restore Faces 可以算是臉部防禦特化 但是我不愛用

魔力量CFG很重要

我在文字生成階段會用12

在圖生圖階段會用14

用越多魔力 招喚出來的東西越精準

但是太精準也不好 因為你不是賢者 你的咒文一定爛透了

還是讓 AI 自由發揮一點比較好




------------ 招喚示範 ------------

講這麼多 我還是先上完成圖給你們看

你在決定要不要繼續聽

https://i.imgur.com/Zf44fFg.png

圖https://i.imgur.com/Zf44fFg.png?e=1666708645&s=fb6x9570efcPGihxhmVj7g, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得
https://i.imgur.com/azvmjRc.png
圖https://i.imgur.com/azvmjRc.png?e=1666708359&s=259VVRHSBzmriSpYHHLwLg, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得
i.imgur.com/3pnUC4x
i.imgur.com/IobyYwa




------------ 招喚過程 ------------

[1-1]
https://i.imgur.com/TnMzeNw.png

圖https://i.imgur.com/TnMzeNw.png?e=1666652599&s=O_-UrcWKcDj9ZgZai1yuNg, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得

咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, (1 girl:1.7), blue eye,
(looking at camera), (underboob:1.2), (beautiful detailed eyes:1.4),
finely detail, detailed long hair, hair clip, (half naked),
(busty:1.4), (necklace:1.2), (earring1.2), short skirt, nature light,
rock, flower, perfect arm, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, elf ear,
(good anatomy:1.3), good style, (slight smile), water on ground,
grass, blue sky, cloud, nature, cute face, light and shadow effects,
brutality background, volumetric lighting, gold trim,
extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper, depth of field, skin details,
wet, focused, wooden house, windows

結界 (這組結界很常用 我之後就不重複打了):
lowres, bad anatomy, bad hands, text, error, missing fingers,
extra digit, fewer digits, cropped, worst quality, low quality,
normal quality, jpeg artifacts,signature, watermark, username, blurry,
artist name, split arm, split finger, extra leg, multiple breasts,
(mutated hands and fingers:1.5 ), (long body :1.3), (mutation),
(poorly drawn :1.2), bad anatomy, liquid body, liquid tongue, disfigured,
malformed, mutated, anatomical nonsense, text font ui, error,
malformed hands, long neck, blurred, bad proportions, bad shadow,
uncoordinated body, unnatural body, fused breasts, bad breasts,
huge breasts, poorly drawn breasts, extra breasts, liquid breasts,
heavy breasts, missing breasts, huge haunch, huge thighs, huge calf,
bad hands, fused hand, missing hand, disappearing arms, disappearing thigh,
disappearing calf, disappearing legs, fused ears, bad ears, poorly drawn ears,extra ears, liquid ears, missing ears, missing finger, broken finger

其他數值:
Steps: 27, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 12, Seed: 313125894


[1-2]
然後把好的結果丟進img2img調整光影 修正錯誤

一樣要放咒文

要拿掉一些已經畫的很好的咒文

增加一下畫的不好的咒文

基礎人體比例構造咒文的要留著

多重詠唱step開多一點65

語言一樣用 DDIM

長寬要一樣

魔力量CFG用高一點14

Denoising strength 是允許變動量 開小一點 0.43

咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, right arm in the back,
good breast shape, (good forearm), underboob, (good wrist), good fabric,
hair clip, half naked, elf ear, (good anatomy:1.3), good style,
(slight smile), water on ground, grass, blue sky, cloud, nature,
cute face, light and shadow effects, volumetric lighting, gold trim,
extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper, depth of field, skin details,
wet, focused, (necklace:1.2), (earring1.2),
(beautiful detailed eyes:1.4), reflective water

其他數值:
Steps: 65, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 13.5, Seed: 2379629726, Denoising
strength: 0.43




[2-1]
https://i.imgur.com/VO4h3Ux.png

圖https://i.imgur.com/VO4h3Ux.png?e=1666671253&s=Wqn2hVr9DRvFAgaJGVfgKw, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得

咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, (1 girl:1.7), blue eye,
(looking at camera), (underboob:1.2), (beautiful detailed eyes:1.4),
finely detail, detailed long hair, hair clip, (half naked), (busty:1.4),
(necklace:1.2), (earring1.2), short skirt, nature light, rock, flower,
perfect arm, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, elf ear, (good anatomy:1.3),
good style, (slight smile), water on ground, grass, blue sky, cloud,
nature, cute face, light and shadow effects, brutality background,
volumetric lighting, gold trim, extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper,
depth of field, skin details, wet, focused, wooden house, windows, clear line

其他數值:
Steps: 27, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 12, Seed: 4193356618


[2-2]
咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, right arm in the back,
good breast shape, (good forearm), underboob, (good wrist), good fabric,
hair clip, half naked, elf ear, (good anatomy:1.3), good style,
(slight smile), water on ground, grass, blue sky, cloud, nature, cute face,
light and shadow effects, volumetric lighting, gold trim,
extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper, depth of field, skin details,
wet, focused, (necklace:1.2), (earring1.2), (beautiful detailed eyes:1.4),
good shadow, (good detailed finger: 1.5)

其他數值:
Steps: 50, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 14, Seed: 1802596950,
Denoising strength: 0.31




[3-1]
i.imgur.com/VOAhBpb

這個開始用真實一點的畫風

很簡單 就是把五官強調一點 多說一點相關咒文

然後五官要在身體之前定義

咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, (real river), (city), (1 girl:1.8),
yellow eye, (looking at camera), (underboob:1.2),
(beautiful detailed eyes:1.4), finely detail, detailed long hair, hair clip,
(half naked), (busty:1.4), (slightly opened mouth:1.3), (detailed lips),
pink lips, (necklace:1.2), (earring1.2), short skirt, see through skirt,
nature light, perfect arm, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, (elf ear:1.2),
(good anatomy:1.3), good style, (slight smile), serious face, magician,
wizard, magical cast, fire pit, (white marble floor), grass, blue sky, cloud,light and shadow effects, brutality background, volumetric lighting,
gold trim, extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper, depth of field,
skin details, wet, focused, clear line, good fabric, real fabric,
(silver string), stone, reflective water, floor reflection

其他數值:
Steps: 27, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 12, Seed: 3758464976




[4-1]
i.imgur.com/xxs9x08

咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, (real river: 1.2), (city view:1.3),
(1 girl:1.7), blue eye, (looking at camera), fantasy sword on waist,
(small sword:1.8), (underboob:1.2), (beautiful detailed eyes:1.4),
finely detail, detailed long hair, hair clip, (half naked), chiffon,
(slightly opened mouth:1.3), (detailed lips), pink lips, (busty:1.3),
(necklace:1.2), (earring1.2), nature light, muscular body, perfect arm,
2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, (good anatomy:1.3), good style, (slight smile),
blue sky, cloud, nature, serious face, moving long silver hair,
black fantasy skirt, light and shadow effects, brutality background,
volumetric lighting, gold trim, extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper,
depth of field, skin details, wet, focused, clear line, wrinkled fabric,
good fabric, real fabric, (silver string), stone road, reflective water

其他數值:
Steps: 27, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 12, Seed: 3166862091


[4-2]
咒語:
masterpiece, best quality, masterpiece, (real river), (clear city),
(1 girl:1.8), yellow eye, (looking at camera), (underboob:1.2),
(beautiful detailed eyes:1.4), finely detail, detailed long hair,
pink hair, hair clip, (half naked), (busty:1.4), (slightly opened mouth:1.3),(detailed lips), pink lips, (necklace:1.2), (earring1.2), (rounded cheek:1.3),(cute face), short skirt, see through cloth, nature light, perfect arm,
2 arms, 2 legs, 2 hands, (good anatomy:1.3), good style,
(good breast shape:1.4), (slight smile), serious face, (white marble floor),
blue sky, cloud, light and shadow effects, brutality background, volumetric
lighting, gold trim, extremely detailed CG unity 8k wallpaper,
depth of field, skin details, (wet), focused, clear line, wrinkled fabric,
good fabric, real fabric, stone, pink nipple

其他數值:
Steps: 70, Sampler: DDIM, CFG scale: 13, Seed: 63426191,
Denoising strength: 0.46






最後靠這個網站 https://www.upscale.media/

就可以把圖弄大了

放幾張最終完成圖

https://i.imgur.com/X00ZSCX.png

圖https://i.imgur.com/X00ZSCX.png?e=1666646208&s=yaVUktbJTn26D_G8ZnzF-g, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得
https://i.imgur.com/4AVJMhf.png
圖https://i.imgur.com/4AVJMhf.png?e=1666699960&s=T_p4_Op5v5m8rZsDRen7Nw, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得
i.imgur.com/kjRnfE8
i.imgur.com/aSSqgqU


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圖https://i.imgur.com/kanoz8L.jpg?e=1666687183&s=ShpfNJ8fyNQnq2Ky9bxa1g, NovelAI 招喚術與咒文詠唱心得

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※ 編輯: kggs (47.33.85.176 美國), 10/15/2022 15:17:53

Kururu807910/15 15:17這就是咒術大師嗎?

kggs10/15 15:18... 編輯掉.PNG好像不行? 我在看看

Xavy10/15 15:18可以發電嗎

Orianna10/15 15:18以後各公司會不會有專職的詠唱師啊 大學會不會有ai 詠唱

Orianna10/15 15:18班 詠唱系所

好了 不漏*了 這樣可以吧?

※ 編輯: kggs (47.33.85.176 美國), 10/15/2022 15:20:02

dolphintail10/15 15:20初階召喚學開課了

Orianna10/15 15:20其實 鋼鍊的人體煉成 缺的就是這個吧

justty3210/15 15:21膜拜大師!

as8011068010/15 15:23捲到開始魔法大戰了

ronald000010/15 15:27

tw1510/15 15:28<<初級祕典>>

izumo012310/15 15:28大哥!

korsg10/15 15:28媽的 真的是咒術練習本

teddy1211410/15 15:28大師!!

XRIX10/15 15:29推,請問手腳要畫得好的話要加什麼咒語比較好

basketkdash10/15 15:29原來是天使係召喚師 我都招克蘇魯系的

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GYLin10/15 15:31AI生圖仔以後請正名召喚師

GYLin10/15 15:31這篇我先存了 謝謝大大

Oxhorn10/15 15:32詠唱魔法是必要的!! 只要咒語 召喚出什麼都有可能啊

teren10/15 15:32我比較想知道克蘇魯系的咒語

diabolica10/15 15:32慢工出細活

smart0eddie10/15 15:34色色

sos911go10/15 15:36抱歉 結界裡面的詞無所不用其極的想把原作者名字去掉

sos911go10/15 15:36看了只有噁心

kggs10/15 15:36手腳靠結界防禦多 其次用good hand, arm, 然後cfg多一點

basketkdash10/15 15:38初級克蘇魯系把結界當咒文唸就可以了

hondobaka10/15 15:38大推

x215967910/15 15:40結界還要去浮水印 笑死

smart0eddie10/15 15:41去浮水印是有人在生氣什麼

smart0eddie10/15 15:42AI就會學到浮水印

arrenwu10/15 15:42他產圖在negative裡面放那些沒啥問題吧== 這工具現在就

arrenwu10/15 15:42好玩 大家像是在玩神燈精靈那樣交流

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erhumm10/15 15:43妖精村人夏日林間

smart0eddie10/15 15:43你讓他畫浮水印出來也只是一片浮水印亂碼

arrenwu10/15 15:43他有提到使用的工具 在自娛娛人的範圍內 別這麼激動啊

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kggs10/15 15:49原作跟AI之間要吵很久 這裡不討論 但是我可以說原作簽名沒用

LLSGG10/15 15:49推,謝教學

kggs10/15 15:49因為簽名1000%出不來 只會髒髒的一駝在那邊

tim833310/15 15:51金髮大奶妖精就是讚

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lsd2596810/15 15:52? 選修有甚麼可以選

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guogu10/15 15:58其實讓他生漫畫封面就很容易出字了 只是通常就一坨

guogu10/15 15:59拿到2公尺外看會以為是字 近看就一堆蚯蚓

greg9032610/15 16:03我還以為字串讀進去拆成詞就沒差了 原來順序有影響

uu5l4yk6u10/15 16:07選修快出拜託了

kggs10/15 16:08你看1-1 wooden house, window最後加 就只會出現小小的

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k1k183200210/15 16:12應該是什麼遮蔽了樓上的雙眼

guogu10/15 16:15我也研究好久 結果是在溪谷裡

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※ 編輯: kggs (47.33.85.176 美國), 10/15/2022 16:17:43

smart0eddie10/15 16:17upscale 的AI直接把他變霧氣了

kggs10/15 16:181-1 木屋在1-2的後製處理就被幹掉了 太小了 基本上沒用

jerygood020810/15 16:25Eular a跟DDIM比較像是兩個魔法學派,一個比較可愛

jerygood020810/15 16:25一個比較精細

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Strasburg10/15 16:56現在想想 愛德華兄弟人體煉成失敗是很正常的

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et31010/15 18:00格萊分多加10分

lbowlbow10/15 18:02笑死了,去浮水印是想幹麻?裝你自己畫的?

smart0eddie10/15 18:09你可以不要去啊 很容易跑出一團亂碼浮水印

smart0eddie10/15 18:09而且就說了 萬一真的這麼剛好跑出例如樓上ID

smart0eddie10/15 18:09樓上你敢宣稱這就是你的作品?

TheMatt10/15 18:17如果是NAI的話,要特定風格是不是放最前面比較好

TheMatt10/15 18:17寫實/日系/美系、年代那些

hutao10/15 18:19最高司祭是你?!

hutao10/15 18:22噓錯了,補推

togs0910/15 18:46師傅!!! 感謝教學

CYL00910/15 19:03咒文學講師你好

bobyhsu10/15 19:08這串彷彿聽的到時代的巨輪下面有人被輾的嘎吱嘎吱亂叫欸

bobyhsu10/15 19:08連基本常識都沒有就在那邊去浮水印幹嘛 xD

jay92031410/15 19:38WC 咒術入門

kimono102210/15 21:04大推詳細步驟教學!

alpho10/15 21:11這就是學魔法的感覺嗎

hallow10/15 23:21感謝 非常實用

k92035449610/16 00:05咒術師也太難當

blueballer10/16 02:13現代召喚術

DkvupEX10/16 04:12好氣ㄛ

hengsao10/21 03:03笑死人 不是都嘴AI只會拼裝合成獸嗎?既然如此那浮水印誰

hengsao10/21 03:03知道AI剪哪裡來亂拼的 關「原作」什麼事?這圖是他畫的?