Re: [問卦] 以色列總統：加薩沒有無辜的平民

A6 發表於 2023/11/2 下午7:05:46

看板Gossiping標題Re: [問卦] 以色列總統：加薩沒有無辜的平民作者

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※ 引述《osalucard (墮落的月光)》之銘言：
: He also expressed frustration with the people in Gaza who allowed Hamas to
: come into power and remain in power as it continued its hate campaign against: Israel.
: "This rhetoric about civilians not aware and not involved is absolutely not: true. They could have risen up, they could have fought against that evil
: regime that took over Gaza in a coup d'etat," Herzog said.
: 以色列總統對加薩居民失望，他們讓哈瑪斯上台掌權
: 沒有所謂的無辜的平民，他們本來可以使邪惡政權離開加薩
: 加薩走廊的平民是不是每個都是以色列的敵人？
在皮爾斯摩根最近的訪談中

https://youtu.be/rqjO5Z9Lt_M?si=G0iK9B0kg3vOrEtX&t=3286

內坦雅胡 2001他自述刻意破壞奧斯陸協議

和嘲笑美國輿論好操弄的新聞又提到

然後我去找了一下相關新聞

很有趣

https://electronicintifada.net/content/video-netanyahu-brags-he-deceived-us-destroy-oslo-accords/8934#:~:text=Video%3A%20Netanyahu%20brags%20he%20deceived%20US%20to%20destroy%20Oslo%20accords

https://reurl.cc/V4qMDb

Video: Netanyahu brags he deceived US to destroy Oslo accords

前略

內塔尼亞胡在片中表示，以色列必須「對巴勒斯坦人造成如此痛苦的打擊，其代價將是難以承受的…對巴勒斯坦權力機構進行廣泛的攻擊，讓他們害怕一切都在發生」。崩潰了。”

當被問及美國是否會反對時，他回答說：「美國是一個很容易被感動的東西。朝著正確的方向前進……他們不會妨礙我們……百分之八十的美國人支持我們。這太荒謬了。”

然後他講述了他如何與克林頓總統打交道，他稱克林頓總統「極其親巴勒斯坦」。「我並不害怕在那裡機動。我並不害怕與克林頓發生衝突。”

他說，他向白宮提出的要求根據奧斯陸協議從巴勒斯坦領土撤軍的做法借鑒了他祖父的哲學：“給予百分之二比給予百分之一百更好。”

因此，他簽署了 1997 年協議，將以色列軍隊從希伯倫（最後一個直接佔領的巴勒斯坦城市）的大部分地區撤出，以避免放棄更多領土。

“關鍵在於，”他說，“不是在[被佔領土上]被破壞；而是在被佔領的地區。” 關鍵是
要在那裡並付出最低的代價。”

內塔尼亞胡補充說，阻止進一步撤軍的「伎倆」是重新定義奧斯陸協議下被佔領領土的哪些部分被視為「特定軍事地點」。他希望白宮以書面形式批准將約旦河西岸的一大片地區列為軍事基地。

「現在，他們不想給我那封信，所以我沒有給[他們]希伯倫協議。我停止了政府會議，我說：“我不會簽字。” 只有當這封信到達時…我才簽署了《希伯倫協議》。為什麼這很
重要？因為在那一刻我實際上停止了奧斯陸協議。”

上週，在華盛頓與歐巴馬會面後，這位以色列總理接受了福克斯新聞的採訪，他似乎並不急於做出讓步：「我們可以透過談判實現和平嗎？是的。2012年能實施嗎？我認為這將需要更長的時間，」他說。

人們至少必須非常強烈地懷疑內塔尼亞胡今天和當時一樣堅定地致力於破壞與巴勒斯坦人實現和平的任何機會。

In the film, Netanyahu says Israel must inflict “blows [on the Palestinians]
that are so painful the price will be too heavy to be borne … A broad attack
on the Palestinian Authority, to bring them to the point of being afraid thateverything is collapsing.”

When asked if the US will object, he responds: “America is something that
can be easily moved. Moved to the right direction … They won’t get in our
way … Eighty percent of the Americans support us. It’s absurd.”

He then recounts how he dealt with President Clinton, whom he refers to as “
extremely pro-Palestinian.” “I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not
afraid to clash with Clinton.”

His approach to White House demands to withdraw from Palestinian territory
under the Oslo accords, he says, drew on his grandfather’s philosophy: “It
would be better to give two percent than to give 100 percent.”

He therefore signed the 1997 agreement to pull the Israeli army back from
much of Hebron, the last Palestinian city under direct occupation, as a way
to avoid conceding more territory.

“The trick,” he says, “is not to be there [in the occupied territories]
and be broken; the trick is to be there and pay a minimal price.”

The “trick” that stopped further withdrawals, Netanyahu adds, was to
redefine what parts of the occupied territories counted as a “specified
military site” under the Oslo accords. He wanted the White House to approve
in writing the classification of the Jordan Valley, a large area of the West
Bank, as such a military site.

“Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give [them] the
Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: ‘I’m not
signing.’ Only when the letter came … did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Why
does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo accords.”

Last week, after meeting Obama in Washington, the Israeli prime minister gavean interview to Fox News in which he appeared to be in no hurry to make
concessions: “Can we have a negotiated peace? Yes. Can it be implemented by
2012? I think it’s going to take longer than that,” he said.

There must be at least a very strong suspicion that Netanyahu is as firmly
committed today as he was then to destroying any chance of peace with the
Palestinians.

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