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看板NBA標題[情報] 勇士本來計畫同時拿到PG跟Markkanen作者
dragon803
(AZKiちゃん大好き)
時間推噓36 推:48 噓:12 →:50

Inside Mike Dunleavy Jr.’s second season and the Warriors’ chase for the
next big fish

https://reurl.cc/VMbzan

勇士記者Anthony Slater出了一篇文分系勇士總管 Mike Dunleavy Jr這個暑假的操盤

裡面有一段有講勇士這個暑假交易的變動脈絡

When Dunleavy laid out the blueprint to Curry and Green, Utah Jazz forward
Lauri Markkanen wasn’t Plan B. He was a subsection of Plan A. The Warriors
wanted both wings — believing George’s opt-out threat would allow them to
protect the required assets to entice Utah Jazz CEO Danny Ainge, and Markkanen’s reasonable $18 million returning salary could make the financials work.

“The conversation was always about that possibility,” Green said. “You get
both of those guys, you make a huge splash. But the Clippers weren’t really
willing to play ball. Then Danny Ainge was being Danny Ainge.”

當Dunleavy對Curry和Green展現他的建隊藍圖時,Lauri Markkanen並不是所謂的計畫B,而是計畫A的一部分。勇士本來想要同時得到兩名前鋒,他們認為George可能跳出合約的風險可以讓他們保留需要的資產來與Danny Ainge談交易,並且Lauri Markkanen年薪僅
1800萬的合約也能讓交易運作。

(就是最後會是PG+Markkanen都拿到手)

「對話總是圍繞這種可能性進行」,Green說。「如果得到這兩人,就能造成巨大的影響,但快艇並沒有意願合作,而Ainge則是一如往常的很Ainge。」

If George had been in tow, perhaps the Warriors would’ve unloaded everything
left in the cupboard for Markkanen — all the first-rounders,
second-rounders, swaps and young players the Jazz requested. Contention would’ve been a reasonable expectation.

But without George, it’s clear the Warriors didn’t like the price
considering the return on investment. That’s what Dunleavy relayed to Kerr
in that pre-free-agency meeting at Casa Del Mar.

如果勇士拿到George,或許勇士會All in他們的首輪、次輪和爵士隊要求的年輕球員,畢竟在這種情況下拚冠是合理的做法。但沒有George的情況下,勇士隊並不喜歡這筆交易的投資報酬率,這也是Dunleavy在自由市場會面時告訴Kerr的。

“Mike is very sensible,” Kerr said. “He just said to me, ‘It doesn’t
make sense to sell your entire future for a team that you think can be prettygood, but isn’t awesome, right?’ Especially at this stage with the ages of
our stars.”

「Mike非常理智」,Kerr說。「他告訴我,為了一個還不錯,但不夠好的球隊賣掉你球隊的整個未來並不合理,尤其是在你的核心球員年紀已經偏大的情況下。」

Dunleavy put it this way at his pre-camp news conference: “There’s no point
in going all in to be slightly above average.”

Dunleavy也在訓練營前的新聞發布會上表達了相同的觀點

「為了稍微變好而梭哈,這完全沒有意義。」

Three weeks later, in the same room that Dunleavy delivered that quote,
controlling owner Lacob is reminded of the framing.

過了三週後,勇士隊老闆Lacob也提到他有聽到這樣的說法。

“I saw where he said that,” Lacob said.

「我看到了他說的那些話」,Lacob說。

Lacob is perpetually outward about his ambition and optimism, so it isn’t
the easiest thing to concede that, even with a large summer swing, this
Warriors team still wouldn’t have been good enough.

“Well, here’s the issue,” Lacob said. “You’ve heard me say and you’ve
heard him say: Making trades is really hard in this league. And often you
have to overpay. We know that. But when you say all in, I mean in one of the
situations that was a trade that you’re alluding to, ALL IN should have been
in capital letters.”

All the firsts, seconds, swaps, Brandin Podziemski, Jonathan Kuminga and
Moses Moody.

Lacob一向以樂觀的態度表達他對球隊的雄心壯志,因此要承認經過一個夏天的變動後勇士並不夠好對他來說並不容易。

「問題在這裡」,Lacob說。「你有聽過我說過,也聽過其他人說過,達成交易在這個聯盟並不容易,並且你常常會被迫付出過高的代價。但當你說要梭哈時,在你提到的其中一個交易裡,‘梭哈’這個詞應該用大寫來表達。」

“So that term is important,” Lacob said. “It’s not just a term. That was
something we tried hard to do. If you’re going to get the guy you want, you
can do that. We’ve done it before. We did it with (Kevin Durant). We had to
gut half the roster if you recall. So if it’s the right move, we’re willing
to go quote ‘capital A capital L capital L’ all in. But you can only do
that once, so you’d better be right.”

「因為這個詞非常重要,這不僅僅是一個詞,而是代表我們需要全力以赴去爭取的。如果你想要得到某個你想要的球員,你可以這樣做(梭哈)。我們之前為了KD做過,我們拆了一半的球員。所以如果那是對的決定,我們願意全力拚一次,但你只能拚一次,所以你最好做對。」

中間有一段講Dunleavy的領導特質,Kerr說他能處理艱難的決定之類的

但有一段是Curry對沒有梭哈這件事情也蠻坦然的

Perhaps the most difficult — or at least most delicate — conversations of
Dunleavy’s summer came with Curry. The Warriors indirectly walked Thompson
out the door, weren’t able to get Curry the second established scorer he
craved and pivoted into a patient approach months before Curry’s 37th
birthday, all while convincing him to add an extra year onto his contract.

對Dunleavy來說,這個夏天最困難的就是與Curry的對話。Thompson的離開,無法為Curry找到他希望的第二得分點,並在Curry的37歲生日前達成了他的續約,並且希望Curry能夠有耐心。

“He’s just honest,” Curry said of Dunleavy. “The same way Bob was. I
always say I just want to see effort and an aggressive nature.”

「他很誠實」,Curry談到Dunleavy時說。「這也是過去Bob的作風,我總是說我只是想看到努力和積極的態度。」

Dunleavy plotted the George recruitment with Curry. He kept him up to date onany material Markkanen development. They discussed other names that both
agreed didn’t move the needle. Curry and Green have always been De’Anthony
Melton fans. Melton said the Warriors’ front office was in his agent’s
office within 20 minutes of free agency starting.

Dunleavy與Curry一起策劃了招募George的計劃,並隨時向他更新Markkanen交易的進展。他們討論了其他幾個名字,但雙方都同意這些名字無法改變現狀。Curry和Green一直以來都是De’Anthony Melton的粉絲。Melton說,當自由市場開始20分鐘後,勇士就聯繫了他的經紀人。

Don’t mistake Curry’s understanding with a lack of urgency. He’s still in
a sturdy alliance with the organization because he trusts Dunleavy similar tohow he trusted Myers and he’s been led to believe that they will strike —
using future picks and other necessary sacrifices — to maximize the next
couple of seasons if the right trade materializes.

不要誤以為Curry對球隊的理解代表他缺乏緊迫感。他與球隊的關係仍然很穩固,因為他信任Dunleavy,就如同他當初信任Myers一樣。而且Curry被告知,如果合適的交易出現,勇士願意砸選秀權和其他資產來最大化接下來的幾個賽季。

“Yeah, but nobody knows what that means until there’s an opportunity or you
assess what this team is,” Curry said.

「是的,但直到出現合適的機會或你可以正確評估球隊的情況時,沒人知道那究竟代表什麼意思」,Curry說。

In the last couple of months, the Warriors and Minnesota Timberwolves had a
conversation about Karl Anthony-Towns, league sources said, but it didn’t go
anywhere. The Timberwolves targeted a specific package from the New York
Knicks that the Warriors didn’t possess. There’s no other obvious big name
immediately available as the regular season arrives.

在過去的幾個月,勇士有與灰狼商討過KAT的交易,但沒進展。灰狼針對尼克提出了明
確的交易包裹,但勇士無法匹配。隨著賽季即將開始,目前暫時沒有其他明星球員可供交易。

“I just think the biggest thing for me is, as a player, when you’re dealing
with a GM, there are material moments throughout the year that you want to
have an alignment,” Curry said. “Come New Year, I may have a check-in. Come
trade deadline, I might have a check-in. Come offseason, I have a check-in.
The rest of the time it’s his job to go maintain relationships and keep an
eye on the league. It’s my job to go hoop.”

「我認為對我來說,最重要的是,作為一名球員,當你與GM討論時,會有幾個關鍵時
刻你希望雙方能夠達成共識。當新年到來,我可能會與他交流了解情況;交易截止日前,我可能會再次確認情況;到了休賽季,我會再次與他討論球隊的狀況。其餘的時間,就是他的工作去維持球員的關係和關注聯盟的動態,而我的工作就是上場打球。」


總結就是,勇士本來的目標是

PG可以以保留資產的情況下從快艇那邊拿到,然後All in Lauri=組成一個爭冠隊伍

但前者失敗後,總管認為現在梭哈沒意義,縮了也不能爭冠

Curry也暫時可以理解並且願意等待機會,然後他一年會跳下來跟總管談論球隊的情況
3次

新年 交易大限 休賽季,剩下的時間要怎麼維持球員的關係跟聯盟情況的變動如何是總
管的工作

然後這訪問最奇怪的就是交易沒達成是Green跑出來說的XD

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Chanlin01 10/22 23:58夢裡有 阿船收你那臭臭包幹嘛

dog29635841 10/22 23:59這計劃太過一廂情願了

negotiates 10/22 23:59YY大師

Karbee 10/23 00:00金州夢想家

sony0223098 10/23 00:00寧願air也不要臭魚爛蝦好嗎

alex8725 10/23 00:01苦命堅持捏在手上就啥都沒囉

zehow 10/23 00:02唬爛 勇士根本沒資產可以換到這兩位

Aggro 10/23 00:03這怎湊的

idlewolf 10/23 00:04夢裡什麼都有

Chanlin01 10/23 00:04這計畫….你勇以爲在玩MyGM是吧

c27932589 10/23 00:05錯字有億點點多

sk89856857 10/23 00:06畫餅喔

henry910119 10/23 00:07當初主要是站在快艇不變空氣要換回一些資產的概念

henry910119 10/23 00:08但快艇決定走先重組把稅往下降再說

f77928 10/23 00:09喔是喔真的假的

roger262390010/23 00:09要快艇吞那包真的做夢比較快

henry910119 10/23 00:09加上勇士的球員真的都沒補上快艇要的

jason911152 10/23 00:10組成一個爭冠「對五」

NightElf 10/23 00:10湖人大概也有一樣的計畫

cangyisu 10/23 00:10有夢最美

saturday556610/23 00:12對啊 至少還是理智的

jonestem 10/23 00:12我倒覺得小鄧的作法算合理,畢竟要跟歷史三分球王

heybro 10/23 00:12這跟湖人有意XX有87%像

jonestem 10/23 00:12還有鉅富老闆有個交代啊

tylerdurdenn10/23 00:14爭冠隊伍 勇士隊 勇士 把一些錯字校正會更好

tylerdurdenn10/23 00:14不過還是感謝翻譯

q210216 10/23 00:14喔是喔然後勒?=

kerrry30 10/23 00:14沒發生說什麼都可以阿

Chanlin01 10/23 00:15CP3+圍巾 vs air 我選擇air

mashiroro 10/23 00:16沒發生怎麼嘴都可以啊

gn00152097 10/23 00:18反正就是我如果可以搶劫那我就可以拿到所有想要的

gn00152097 10/23 00:18沒實現就是因為其它隊不讓我搶劫

Gilbertsky 10/23 00:20簡單說就是幻想可以搶劫快艇 其實人家根本不鳥你

FAYeeeeeeee 10/23 00:20好奇 在PG可能變空氣的情況下 快艇以繳稅為成本

Gilbertsky 10/23 00:21變成空氣還比較好的情況說明了這交易如果啟動有多虧

FAYeeeeeeee 10/23 00:21預期從勇士那麼得到怎樣的收穫可以算補償

gn00152097 10/23 00:21全部到期約+簽吧

interestbi 10/23 00:22乳摸不是有說了要勇士出Kuminga 還是我記錯

inuyaksa 10/23 00:22那些好的GM哪個不是在搶劫

FAYeeeeeeee 10/23 00:22JK+CP3?

Aggro 10/23 00:23有鬍子快艇怎會想要CP3

SodaMan 10/23 00:23我本來計畫一次娶到李多慧跟李雅英

FAYeeeeeeee 10/23 00:23CP3必出啊 薪資平衡

henry910119 10/23 00:23透過三方交易把PJ tucker交易出去吧 我認為快艇從沒

henry910119 10/23 00:23考慮把PG交易到勇士啦

candbilly15310/23 00:23笑死還真的以為可以丟包垃圾把快艇當傻子薛喔

gn00152097 10/23 00:24你出Kuminga人家快艇就不要了

loveless01 10/23 00:25搶劫安吉,不可能

nt880245 10/23 00:25差點就有宇宙勇2.0

henry910119 10/23 00:25對其他隊很香對快艇kuminga就… 真的沒有東西要

gn00152097 10/23 00:26主要是快艇就節稅 Kuminga就要續約的人

randlecool 10/23 00:26夠了吧,老大軟手哭狸大幅退化,尤其關鍵時刻總是

randlecool 10/23 00:26雷隊友,帶隊0輪就是證明,結果勇寶還在追沙0-10,

randlecool 10/23 00:26到底誰會想來@@還得小心御用打手嘴綠隨時會對新同

randlecool 10/23 00:26學動拳

Addressg 10/23 00:27做夢的交易更何況想搶的人是安吉

wsx89589468 10/23 00:29聽你在吹牛

SonoSion 10/23 00:29還在做夢?

qpeter 10/23 00:31胃口太大了吧 有足夠籌碼?

dwiee 10/23 00:31勇士的資產 要同時拿兩個超難吧

Kai877 10/23 00:33笑死 小克分靈體也太多

aa89028500 10/23 00:33找來了巴蒂我覺得已經很好了

interestbi 10/23 00:33應該說快艇就想拿滿了吧 要給首輪+JK給完就沒資產

OsmanGo 10/23 00:34真的是金州夢想家

interestbi 10/23 00:34生不出來符合安吉要求的包裹

nt880245 10/23 00:35換完有比宇宙勇強嗎?

k2215777 10/23 00:35咖哩真的抱腿抱上癮了 是不是想把人騙來 然後續約又

k2215777 10/23 00:35壓價

drcula 10/23 00:36但是補強算不差,又能壓在稅線,算是很棒的休賽季操作

richard1003 10/23 00:36想得美

EMSOK 10/23 00:37拿到一個都像搶劫了 還想兩個都拿 還沒睡醒喔

MarcPolo 10/23 00:37用一大串文字來唬爛

cor1os 10/23 00:40比湖人還會作夢

inuyaksa 10/23 00:40正版小克還是有料一點 另一隻東施真的好爛

※ 編輯: dragon803 (1.162.141.2 臺灣), 10/23/2024 00:41:43

richard1003 10/23 00:41我本來也有跟橋本環奈結婚的計畫,只是沒成功而已

EZ78 10/23 00:44亂講 從頭到尾快艇要的都是Kuminga

KillLakers 10/23 00:44畫餅GM 這都可以騙到人信...............

EZ78 10/23 00:45勇士啥都不給 然後說勇士有出Kuminga那個TA記者被

EZ78 10/23 00:45噴爛

pcfox 10/23 00:45本來

EZ78 10/23 00:45不想要Kuminga的人是爵士

interestbi 10/23 00:46哈 果然我沒記錯 勇士就真的只想出不差包薛人

Gilbertsky 10/23 00:47看這篇文章寫的意思應該也是指啥都不給 然後梭馬卡

ponanchen 10/23 00:48講講而已啦!快艇根本就寧願丟掉!提到安吉根本就

ponanchen 10/23 00:48是你籌碼不夠。在那邊豪洨這兩個

hunt5566 10/23 00:50做夢勇

kkk895310 10/23 00:50整天想組大團有夠噁

EZ78 10/23 00:52Dunleavey是理智的(X)Frank跟Ainge沒失去理智(O)

ayubabbit 10/23 00:56笑死 交易kat 好像只有wiggines能匹配薪資

ChamPion3 10/23 00:59梭哈(X) 把別人當盤子再安慰自己有梭哈(O)

stocktonty 10/23 00:59拿到玻璃寶僑也不可能爭冠 算了吧

stocktonty 10/23 00:59安吉也不可能讓你佔便宜 所以都只是講講而已

stocktonty 10/23 01:02嘴綠+咖哩就8000萬了再湊2大咖剩下只能搭底薪戰隊有

stocktonty 10/23 01:02用嗎 還不如培養新人吧

vvnbear 10/23 01:03All in換一個我都覺得在做夢了

gn00324893 10/23 01:03夢裡什麼都有啦 還計畫咧

conqueror50710/23 01:04不止吧 還有阿肥,字母哥,77,斑馬,姆斯,KD

conqueror50710/23 01:04這個GM不太行啊,居然沒有想到這步

asdfzx 10/23 01:05聽你在唬爛

ayubabbit 10/23 01:06GM:我真的想認真做大事 只是別人不配合

ayubabbit 10/23 01:06湖人GM:要不要出來說一下他的目標

n10617 10/23 01:12當意淫仔也要適可而止吧?

akko76815 10/23 01:13那五顆零? 甘阿捏?

n10617 10/23 01:13不夠大團不會打球?

jingle87052410/23 01:13還有LBJ AD SGA 假日哥 77 Jokic

mack860120 10/23 01:16做夢吧

yashiky2010 10/23 01:16以為全世界都繞著勇士轉嗎?

lonelysam 10/23 01:24夢裡什麼都有

PKming 10/23 01:46GM講一堆幹話 其實根本沒有籌碼 嘻嘻

PKming 10/23 01:46我本來也計畫同時和林志玲、周子瑜結婚 嘻嘻