[情報] 拳頭對LCSPA五大訴求的回覆(四個NO)

zxc906383 發表於 2023/5/31 上午10:52:56

看板LoL標題[情報] 拳頭對LCSPA五大訴求的回覆(四個NO)作者

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借用一下土龍大大翻譯的五大訴求

https://reurl.cc/mDqOZW

The LCSPA has made several requests – here’s how we’ve addressed them

I also want to address the five demands from the LCSPA, with the responses thatwe also provided the LCSPA today:

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對LCSPA五大訴求的回覆

Institute VALORANT style promotion and relegation between LCS and NACL.
Expanding the league in order to implement a VALORANT-style visitor slot systemwould run counter to our existing partnership model with the 10 LCS teams who paid ~$10M per slot to compete in the league. It would dilute LCS teams’ equity and put considerable downward pressure on the amount of revenue (our “League Revenue Pool”) that we share with the teams. More teams in the pool would dilute the revenues that we share 50% with our teams under the partnership model. Giventhe challenging macroeconomic climate, expanding the league is not a good idea at this time.

在LCS與NACL間建立類特戰英豪(Valorant)現行的升降制度(已經聯盟化繳交保證金的隊伍不會參與升降)

LCS回覆:NO

理由:這樣有違聯盟化(每隊支付10M的入場費)，且以往聯盟是和戰隊五五分潤，在加進隊伍，各隊分的錢又更少惹

Riot guarantees LCS minimum contracts for the following year
for five players who win NACL Summer Finals.
Guaranteed LCS contracts for winners aren’t a necessary component of a healthydevelopmental league. LCS teams are in the best position to decide who should get a shot. We will continue to discuss initiatives to connect LCS to NACL players like we have in place with Scouting Grounds. Players should rise to the LCS based on merit, potential, and team fit rather than an artificially forced mechanism, and our focus will be on finding ways to increase the flexibility and mobility of that movement rather than forcing it.

Riot給予獲得夏季冠軍的隊伍陣中五名選手下一年度的LCS最低薪資保障合約

LCS回覆:NO

要和誰簽約應該交由各戰隊自行決定，而且冠軍保障合約並非一個健康發展聯盟的必要組成，選手能不能留在LCS應該是看其能力，而非強制規定

Institute a 3/5 continuity rule to provide players on released NACL rosters first priority in maintaining their slots in the upcoming NACL season if a majoritycontinue to compete together.
Teams provide greater continuity and structure, and therefore we will continue with our policy of slot ownership residing with organizations rather than players.

當NACL隊伍不繼續經營或被釋出時，該隊伍陣中至少需要保留3名原始隊伍的選手，他們將被承接的隊伍優先聘用

LCS回覆:NO

Riot commit to a revenue pool for player salaries of $300,000 per NACL team, per year.
This ask is for multiple millions in subsidies for the NACL. That simply isn’tsustainable – and to be brutally honest, it shouldn’t be necessary. We have other Tier 2 leagues around the world which thrive on their own, and we believe the NACL can get to that place too.

What we will do is help the North American scene through this transition. So, as I mentioned above, we will be investing in a bridge period by providing a special, one-time payment of $300,000 to the NACL’s Tournament Operator (Rally Cry)to support NACL teams during the transition to the new structure.

Riot提供每支NACL隊伍每年30萬美金的補助用於支付選手薪資

LCS回覆:NO

這要求代表要給NACL每年幾百萬美金的補貼

這基本上是不可能長期維持的

而且這不應該是必要的

我們在世界各地還有其他的 2 級聯賽，它們依靠自己的力量蓬勃發展

我們相信 NACL 也可以達到那個水平

但為了幫助LCS度過這次難關，我們會發一次性30萬鎂給NACL

Allow LCS orgs to partner with affiliates for cost-sharing.
We’ve seen examples of partnerships between pro teams and Tier 2 teams across the globe result in greater upward mobility of pros and more sustainable Tier 2 ecosystems. That is why we already, and will continue to, allow affiliate relationships to exist between teams in LCS and NACL (for example, Golden Guardians & Area of Effect).

Riot允許LCS隊伍與其他機構如業餘隊伍或大學合作(Aka. 共同營運)以減輕隊伍負擔

LCS回覆:YES

現在就是繼續讓一隊二隊合作呀

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https://twitter.com/arshgoyal13/status/1663691605776420865

[Sources] LCS staff -- contractors, producers, talent -- will all be paid during the 2 week break.

They will also be paid if the entire summer split is cancelled, which is an option on the table if an agreement cannot be reached

根據情報

在停賽的這兩週，LCS職員依然能領薪水

而就算最終夏季賽也被取消

他們還是能繼續領薪水

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diefish5566 05/31 10:53五大訴求缺一不可光復北美時代革命

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cornsoup 05/31 10:56領薪罷工不愧是有錢的白癡賽區==

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james3510 05/31 10:57罷工還有錢拿誰要工作

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diefish5566 05/31 10:57領的是被牽連的LCS職員不是罷工的選手吧

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JusufNurkic 05/31 10:57聯盟化的錢賺一賺拳頭真爽

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gor35764 05/31 10:59拳頭你也知道有其他二級聯賽啊... 隨便一隊贊助的30

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gor35764 05/31 10:590萬鎂給PCS分都能有更好效益

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ja2200 05/31 10:59你們要自立自強阿

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JusufNurkic 05/31 11:00拳頭就說二級聯賽自立自強了差滴

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ckwing03 05/31 11:03爽賺300萬

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yukiyg 05/31 11:03老闆們又有錢拿囉，繼續霸繼續發錢

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e71099 05/31 11:05這些訴求你說要就要喔== 太難了吧

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ronan113021 05/31 11:05好爽不工作照領薪水

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SweetRice 05/31 11:05爽賺300萬

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kingianlin 05/31 11:06二級聯賽自立自強真沒啥問題

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EggRoland 05/31 11:06偷問一下.. 300萬是梗嗎我是不是錯過了什麼

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AhCheng 05/31 11:06繼續領錢，反正老闆有錢沒差

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kingianlin 05/31 11:06反正都是一群臭魚爛蝦而已

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hdotistyle 05/31 11:13通通去麥當勞裝薯條啦

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jason911152 05/31 11:14300萬鎂，PCS看到口水直流了

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DDASSAILANT 05/31 11:14為什麼我看原文都是提到30萬

啊看錯

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jason2325 05/31 11:14原文寫30萬欸

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Chanlin01 05/31 11:15倒底是300萬還30萬

※ 編輯: zxc906383 (220.129.190.6 臺灣), 05/31/2023 11:15:15

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KIMCHAEWON 05/31 11:15這要求真的有夠白癡收一收實在

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zsp8084 05/31 11:15四個不同意

※ 編輯: zxc906383 (220.129.190.6 臺灣), 05/31/2023 11:15:47

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sony0223098 05/31 11:16四個不同意聯盟更有利

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KIMCHAEWON 05/31 11:16300萬是指有十隊？

※ 編輯: zxc906383 (220.129.190.6 臺灣), 05/31/2023 11:16:28

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DDASSAILANT 05/31 11:17每年補助那邊沒改到

感謝

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ahomegod 05/31 11:17這些要求都no很合理

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angraer 05/31 11:18今天我們都是美國人，五大訴求缺一不可

※ 編輯: zxc906383 (220.129.190.6 臺灣), 05/31/2023 11:18:58

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sony0223098 05/31 11:22次級聯賽沒產值還敢要求每隊每年30萬鎂補助？

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q251425 05/31 11:22提這些要求的人不知道是不是沒讀過書

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q251425 05/31 11:22本來一級聯賽隊伍就沒賺過錢還開強制有合約的要求

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q251425 05/31 11:23各地的次級聯賽都沒這麼伸手就成績爛的北美在伸

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AdmiralAdudu05/31 11:25帶薪罷工媽的一群爽人欸難怪不好好練習

是LCS人員有錢領選手沒吧

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jackjoke200705/31 11:25領錢罷工法國人以你們為恥

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q251425 05/31 11:26LCS職員應該不是選手吧罷工怎麼可能拿錢

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a125g 05/31 11:26允許拉贊助合理

※ 編輯: zxc906383 (220.129.190.6 臺灣), 05/31/2023 11:26:45

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q251425 05/31 11:27直接跟麥當勞肯德基合作讓這些選手去自立自強算了

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sony0223098 05/31 11:27領薪水的是工作人員不是選手吧

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sony0223098 05/31 11:27本來工作人員好好的結果選手罷工讓他們沒事做

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tavern 05/31 11:29所以工作人員算是帶薪休假嗎

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cornsoup 05/31 11:29是職員看錯了==

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hasroten 05/31 11:32四個不同意拳頭更有力

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crowley 05/31 11:36四個不同意 na更有力

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k22015987 05/31 11:38四個不同意送NA下去

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tindy 05/31 11:46四個不同意太穩了吧

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JustBecauseU05/31 11:49通常最簡單的給yes是基本的談判邏輯

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a8330028 05/31 11:53所以NACL是每隊30萬鎂還是全部30萬?

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RaysMoon 05/31 11:55一堆拿no也不意外的訴求

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sony0223098 05/31 11:55他們要求每年每隊30萬

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haha98 05/31 11:58五大訴求缺一不可

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q251425 05/31 11:58光是拳頭拿其他賽區的二隊舉例二隊要求就站不住腳

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kakutomi 05/31 11:59四個不同意

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maple2378 05/31 12:00次級聯賽自立自強問題是戰隊就不玩啊

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yamahaya 05/31 12:01一堆白癡訴求是我也不同意

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chigo520 05/31 12:03台灣很好笑9成都是勞工卻幫資方說話

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a8330028 05/31 12:08以現在的生存環境次級聯賽(隊伍)取消才是正解

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busman214 05/31 12:11大家會幫資方講話那還不是因為NA選手拿著優越的薪資

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jorden0804 05/31 12:11笑死無腦幫勞方講話有比較好嗎

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busman214 05/31 12:11國際賽卻打出不怎麼樣的戰績而且還不愛練習... 今

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busman214 05/31 12:11天要是LCK選手罷工那還有點底氣在

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Wardyal 05/31 12:12這裡的LCS = RIOT嗎

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a9854021 05/31 12:22別的行業是勞方有產值啊北美的這些二隊仔有啥用

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a9854021 05/31 12:22說幫資方講話的要搞清楚電競是老闆花錢在養員工耶

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xinsky13 05/31 12:23外援真的衰明年工作不好找

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a9854021 05/31 12:23就算以競技運動的標準來看這些選手既沒實力也沒中

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a9854021 05/31 12:23韓那些選手訓練刻苦拳頭根本不用屌

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RaysMoon 05/31 12:25好笑的是明明有國民教育還是一堆邏輯死去的人吧

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nothingsun 05/31 12:33肯定NO的吧這肯定是要開高價慢慢殺下去的談判都

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nothingsun 05/31 12:33這樣呀==

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Sanguom 05/31 12:34耶我是勞方，先幫勞方說話就對了

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rappig 05/31 12:42na這養老賽區別鬧了啦錢花的也不輸中韓結果表現

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rappig 05/31 12:42 練習量有一樣嗎

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howdo1793 05/31 12:46花大錢養米蟲白癡才做

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seazure2016 05/31 12:56談判過程本來就這樣雙方找middle ground 怎麼可能

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wade59420 05/31 12:56四不一沒有

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seazure2016 05/31 12:56一開始就把條件設超低腦袋還好吧

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c871111116 05/31 13:01鍵盤勞權老招了反正不佔理就開始扯台灣幫資方說話

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sikadear 05/31 13:02無腦挺才是民粹吧= = 比賽內容難看死了還要挺喔

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seazure2016 05/31 13:05這邊挺或不挺根本不重要不用把自己看的太重

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Nuey 05/31 13:07原來拳頭和戰隊是55分潤喔

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sony0223098 05/31 13:0855攤賠吧

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pokemon 05/31 13:54問就是必須無腦挺

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kaiyun0523 05/31 14:05契約就契約合你媽的同

※ 編輯: zxc906383 (223.137.141.85 臺灣), 05/31/2023 14:11:44

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ouga 05/31 15:06給PCS這些錢，直接吊打LCS白癡賽區

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littlefish1 05/31 15:39北美只想造明星賺廣告，成績直接擺爛，爛賽區一定

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littlefish1 05/31 15:39得有升降賽

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NankanAvenge05/31 15:43罷工有錢拿的是指賽事工作人員吧不是選手

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kltnlious 05/31 16:01五大訴求缺一不可

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cv120345 05/31 16:05靠杯NACL假如一隊5個選手一個人可以分6萬美也太爽

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cv120345 05/31 16:06這樣還能哭喔，到底是養了多少米蟲

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cv120345 05/31 16:09PCS的選手與其認真練習搶先發還不如學習英文去NACL

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eric61446 05/31 16:21停賽免費薪水真爽

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eric61446 05/31 16:22給一半lcs LmS直接重現榮光給你看 ziv 西門都回來賺

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eric61446 05/31 16:22奶粉錢

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TaiwanFight 05/31 16:53原來罷工停賽就算比賽取消也能領薪水哦那當然

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TaiwanFight 05/31 16:53選擇罷工阿爽得要死

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TaiwanFight 05/31 16:53這種罷工保障台灣真的該學習

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eric61446 05/31 16:56歐美罷工權好像是這樣要跟資方談

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eric61446 05/31 16:56所以不好找工作因為很難開除

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GAOTT 05/31 16:57認真回別說30萬 pcs每年輔助3萬美屌打北美

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hh123yaya 05/31 16:57拿最頂的薪資打出大便的內容搞到聯賽沒人看後罷工

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hh123yaya 05/31 16:58以邁向北美四大運動聯賽的角度來看訴求還可接受

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jonathan793 05/31 16:59世界怎麼跟的上台灣

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hh123yaya 05/31 16:59不過LCS看起來就是越來越賺不到錢了更何況次級

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a8785007 05/31 19:20五大訴求：我成績爛我還是要領很多

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Beyondlife 05/31 20:10冠軍保障合約？冠軍照理來說人人搶著要，還要保障

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Beyondlife 05/31 20:10薪資不就代表這個冠軍沒有價值，不足以當薪資談判

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Beyondlife 05/31 20:10籌碼。為什麼存在沒價值的冠軍，這群人還不懂嗎？

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q251425 05/31 20:15主要那個保障合約實行上就很困難選一個隊背鍋？

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angel0328 06/01 04:07Riot：四個不同意乖乖吞下去

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h034826567 06/01 07:38開四個no給他

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keroro39 06/01 10:13拳頭完全不吃這套，慘慘慘

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h034826567 06/01 18:27四個不同意

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