Re: [問題] 為什麼球探、情蒐一定要到現場看?
※ 引述《CoffeeIsGood (咖啡好喝)》之銘言:
: 如題
: 我一直都很好奇為什麼球探啊、情蒐小組
: 一定要跑到現場看球
: 電視畫面不是拍的更清楚嗎?
: 各種慢動作、肢體、表情都很清楚到位
: 我也進場好幾次天母跟大巨蛋都坐本壘後面
: 但就覺得也不是看的非常精準球路、進壘位子
: 有時候都還要配合手機看電視畫面重播
: 很想知道球探、情蒐一定要到現場看的是什麼?
: 謝謝解答
其實你說的沒錯 要觀察球員不用實際到現場看球 看影片就可以
甚至用高速攝影機拍的影片有更多數據可以分析 更適合球探使用
這概念在近年MLB大行其道 很多球團都引進影片分析
取而代之的就是傳統球探部門被大幅縮編
最有名的例子是太空人隊
The greatest threat to traditional scouting is the Houston Astros, who have
laid off most of their scouts over the past few years. Between 2016 and 2019,most teams increased the size of their scouting staffs, but the Astros
slashed theirs from 52 to 18, which is less than half the size of any other
club’s. The Astros are the only team in baseball to have done away with its
pro scouting department, which was once overseen by Kevin Goldstein, who now
fulfills a broad range of duties as the team’s special assistant to the GM,
player personnel. In other words, with rare exceptions, no Astros scouts
evaluate pro players in person, and the amateur scouts’ assignments are
often dictated by data that directs them toward the most statistically
intriguing talents.
In August 2017, when the Astros informed eight scouts that they wouldn’t be
brought back, GM Jeff Luhnow called the cut a “reconfiguring,” telling
MLB.com, “This is not any sort of reduction in staff size and scouting,”
and characterizing the news as “normal” and something “that happens every
year.” What the Astros are up to is obviously abnormal, but whether it’s
ill-advised remains to be seen. The Astros have replaced their pro scouts
with a small contingent of “scouting analysts” and roving video technicians
who capture high-speed, high-definition video of players and transmit it to
Minute Maid Park for automated processing that yields insights into
mechanics, pitch grips, and potential areas of improvement. Without having totravel, the scouting analysts can quickly synthesize several sources of
information to provide a more comprehensive picture of a player’s
performance and potential than it’s typically possible to supply from the
stands.
太空人的做法是職業球員完全不派球探觀察 業餘球員則先看進階數據
進階數據吸引人的才派球探觀察
剩下的球技分析部分用影片取代 而大幅提高調查球員的效率
當然太空人的做法是比較極端 但也能看出傳統球探的價值已經大幅下降
可能只剩和球員聊天觀察球員個性這部分是主要功能了吧
--
還是需要真人對談一下理解球員的個性為人
才不會打沒幾年去做板模之類的
其實後段也是要球探,就只是不用撒一堆球探去砂礫裡面,是
先挑出有可能是珍珠得球探再去
但是天賦真的很頂就算有版模風險還是會有球探想拼
看看的
誰知道有人會去玩未成年還是家暴
殺豬公 前面一篇一堆人翻車
現在球探被砍半以上了
但是高速攝影機的影片要誰去拍來?
他們也不是用高速攝影機對著電視轉播畫面拍吧
現在普通轉播的畫質也很好了 可以直接拿來分析了吧
這一樣是派人到現場拍,不是看電視
覺得人格特質會大幅影響後續兌現的完成度
數據參考參考就好,特質不夠的人天花板很快就到了
只是把在現場看的人從球探改成用攝影機的人
原文底下一堆不知道在噓什麼意思的= =
台灣還有一個讓未成年懷孕的潛力新星要挑戰大聯盟 球探眼瞎
那誰去拍?
不是啊 這篇跟上一篇也沒有抵觸阿
現場看的確還是有些只看數據看不出來的 不然太空人為何
還要篩數據之後去現場看
太空人還是去現場看啊,影片只是先剔除雜魚
ptt老人很多 都說傳統思維(包括我)
所以最後一句的意思是篩完雜魚之後去現場跟球員聊天?
逆網路拍賣概念 現在就網路拍賣比一比看一下心得不見得會
網路購物 反而願意到實體參觀 有些是體驗的產品
人脈的經營很重要 莫名其妙沒打招呼就指名 人家未必會去
或是跟球隊教練打聽有沒有可以推薦的隱玉
找工讀生拍嗎?算時薪就好
全部球場都有機器的話可以 問題是沒有啊
而且球探需要的角度跟觀眾看的不一樣吧...
電視轉播那種一堆臉部特寫又晃來晃去的要分析個鬼
沒想到球探也變網購了
減少不必要的時間 把人力花在值得投資的球員身上?
原文留言又又又翻船了
拍片還是要派人去現場拍 到底在翻車個鳥
太空人攝影機最頂的那種
人格特質很難講啊,像隔壁棚出了休賽季的goat…
你講的還是一樣, 篩選完的目標還是得去觀察
太空人只是先做一個篩選的動作, 只觀察他想觀察的
這篇講的幾乎都來自「MVP製造機」這本書,但作者最後
一章寫的警語這篇回PO的傢伙一個字都不提?
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