[討論] 關於全力以赴跟防守方式
這是之前nba版某位大大的文章
https://reurl.cc/8GExa4
https://i.imgur.com/0BmEuce.jpg
這是美國籃協的官網
https://reurl.cc/exRKNW
以下擷取部分段落（包含部分簡陋翻譯）：
Youth Guidelines – Rules and Standards
ABOUT
Basketball is a great game that is played by millions of young people in the United States and around the world. Playing basketball fosters the development of peer relationships, self-esteem, leadership qualities, and physical health.
籃球是一項在美國及全球數百萬年輕人從事的運動。打籃球能培養同儕關係、自尊（自信？）、領導特質以及身體健康的發展。
To date, however, the sport of basketball has lacked guidelines around health and wellness and consistent game play standards. To help foster player health, age- and stage-appropriate skill development, and a positive and enjoyable on-court experience for young people, the NBA and USA Basketball have developed a set of rules and standards to enhance the playing experience for young athletes.
然而，現今籃球這項運動缺乏關於身體健康的方針及一致的打球標準。為了培養年輕球員的健康、適合年紀適合階段的技巧發展，還有正面且愉快的球場體驗，NBA及美國籃協發展一套規則及標準來增進年輕運動員的打球體驗。
These guidelines aim to combat the overemphasis on early competitive success and the lack of a clear development pathway through the sport – two issues that exist across youth sports, including basketball.
這些方針目標在避免過度強調前期的競爭勝利以及缺乏這項運動明確的發展方向這兩個存在青年運動的議題。
The NBA and USA Basketball are committed to helping shape a youth basketball environment that prioritizes the health and well-being of young athletes and promotes their enjoyment and development in the game.
Nba及美國籃協承諾來協助打造一個健康福祉（？）為優先並促進比賽樂趣及發展的環境。
RULES & STANDARDS
Basketball is played in countless settings and locations across the U.S. – and though the game remains fundamentally the same, there are many variables that can impact a young player’s experience. USA Basketball and the NBA want all players to enjoy the game and have a fun, developmentally appropriate experience.
Parents and coaches frequently ask certain questions, especially when their kids are young:
‧How high should we set the basket?
籃框要多高
‧What size ball should we use?
要打幾號大小的球
‧Should we play zone defense?
可以守區域嗎
These are important questions, and we understand that playing with the correct equipment and establishing age-appropriate rules significantly impacts the experience for youth as they learn the game. Therefore, the NBA and USA Basketball have established detailed guidelines to help young players develop at a natural pace that is suitable to their age and physiological abilities.
Rules and Standards Elements
USA Basketball and the NBA have worked closely with an expert working group on Playing Standards to develop age- and stage-appropriate rules and standards for youth basketball. Aligning with the Player Segmentation Model, these guidelineswill help young players appropriately learn the fundamentals of the game, achieve and maintain early success, and provide enhanced long-term development.
The rules and standards address four key areas:
規則分成四個項目
‧Equipment & Court Specifications (e.g., proper height of the basket, size of the ball, and court dimensions and lines).
‧設備及場地規格
‧Game Structure (e.g., length of the game, scoring and timeouts).
‧比賽架構（比賽長度，比分，暫停）
‧Game Tactics (e.g., equal playing time, player-to-player vs. zone defense, pressing vs. no pressing).
‧比賽策略(球員上場時間，防守）
‧Game Play Rules (e.g., use of a shot clock, substitutions, clock stoppage).
‧比賽規則（進攻時間 罰球時間等等）
（僅取策略的部分參考，其他部分請看原文網址）
GAME TACTICS
https://i.imgur.com/hY7fFU6.jpg
Definitions:
定義：
‧Player-to-Player Defense –
球員對球員防守-
-Each player is responsible for guarding and moving with one offensive player. This requires the defensive player to move according to the offensive player’s movements with or without the ball.
每個球員都要負責防守一個進攻方球員並隨之移動，不論該進攻方球員是否持球。
-The defensive player must stay on the same side of the court as the offensive player, divided by the rim line.
防守者必須跟進攻者待在球場的同一邊（這段不是很懂）
-If an offensive player with the ball advances past their defensive player, another defender may rotate to guard that offensive player.
如果持求者過掉防守者，防守方可以輪替另一個人來防守
‧Pressing Defense – Defensive guarding, either on or off the ball, within thebackcourt.
壓迫防守-在後場不論持球或空手的防守
‧Double-Team/Crowding – Two or more defensive players guarding a single offensive player
包夾-兩個以上的防守者守一個進攻者
RATIONALE
Double-Team/Crowding: Crowding the ball with multiple players (referred to as “double-teaming”) is not allowed for 7-8 or 9-11 year-olds due to skill and size discrepancies among children at these ages. Crowding is allowed for 12-14 year-olds and older to remain consistent with pressing defense standards.
7-11歲禁止包夾
Playing Time: To ensure that all young children participating in the sport havean opportunity to experience the game, equal and fair playing time is recommended for 7-8 year-olds. For 9-11 year-olds, equal playing time is recommended forperiods 1-3, while allowing coaches discretion in the fourth and extra periods.Equal and fair playing time is encouraged throughout all segments.
相同的上場時間，9歲以後第四節及延長賽教練自由調度
Pressing Defense: Pressing defense is prohibited for 7-8 year-olds to help children develop principles of movement with and without the ball in a half-court setting. For 9-11 year-olds, permitting player-to-player defense to extend full-court in the fourth and extra periods allows players to become accustomed to full-court defense while not having to understand sophisticated zone presses. It also allows for an introduction to competitive tactics.
7-8歲禁止壓迫，9-11歲允許第四節及延長賽全場壓迫
Set Defense: The player-to-player requirement for 7-8 and 9-11 year-olds encourages physical activity and movement, and promotes the development of individual skill related to guarding a player both on and off the ball.
Stealing from the Dribbler: At ages 7-8, players are not allowed to steal the ball from an active dribbler. This allows ball-handlers to develop dribbling skills and confidence with the basketball.
7-8歲禁止抄運球者的球
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籃球大國在國小的比賽都有這樣規定，難道他們都沒有中華隊國手懂籃球嗎？（開個玩笑
這個議題吵到現在洪沒錯，他也是規則內照著走，但多數有反對意見的都是對於這個年紀的小學生在大比分差距下使用的防守方式是否不妥，結果他講一個尊重對手，後面又凹到什麼打假球的說法根本是歪理。
台灣這個環境都這麼爛了，大家都想贏眼前的比賽，但後面更長遠的發展呢誰在乎？洪自己練到變國家隊成員很厲害，如果能利用自身的份量是否能多少改變生態而不是跟其他人一樣更是他投入基層更有意義的事
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到底這個可以吵多久
小學老師說以後國中會教，國中老師說以後高中會教，
高中老師說以後大學會教，到了大學老師說這很基本，
想必小學就教過了。台灣好像不管什麼教育都是這樣
都是這幾個論點重復再吵而已 多說無益
我支持這事情吵到籃協出來說話啊
沒人在乎就不會有人吵了
能不能你大籃協一句話搞定 不要讓基層教練扛這鍋
人家米國就是有針對年齡層做比賽內容限制
我真的不懂77-0這個可以吵多久
可以寫信給籃協阿 不然po在這裡也沒用
籃協出來指導一下國內籃壇要怎麼教小朋友啊
籃協有在理你是誰嗎 黑人都要敬他三分
去報菜市場盃就能開心打球了就不會遇到這些問題了
我個人覺得美國籃協這部分比較合理一點..
就跟打壘球一樣也是規定不能本壘滑壘 不能盜壘開心
就好
國小階段..球技經驗體能都不足的情況下
所以壘球是菜市場盃嗎？你不要自打臉啦
國小階段全場壓迫是很不合理的戰術
就分個甲組乙組 乙組不能壓迫打開心的就好
要規定就得從協會發出，這不是基層教練能主張的吧，
我覺得全力沒錯，按照規則盡力去打
規則訂好 下面的人就依照規則去全力打
到底是為什麼可以一直吵，當事人都說了不在意，反
而你們在那邊湊熱鬧
首先 我不認同這件事的處理方式 並附上美國的相關資料提供參考 希望可以對基層籃球有 正向的影響 不知道你認不認同 第二 當事人不吵 事情不會有任何改變一樣繼續土法煉鋼或是這一套 對於發展不是好事 你認不認同 最後想嘴一個 只有啞巴跟死人最安靜 有人吵代表有人關注有人氣 台籃已經夠慘了多點討 論不好嗎
這規則不錯啊
依年紀 層級 設定不同的規則 蠻合理的
應該說討論吧..雖然當事人不在意..可是卻是基層籃球
的難題...其實看到現在..泓志善雖然說話不好聽
但做的也是規則允許.正反兩方理由都充分.才需要討論
練到國手又如何 規則不改 他只是基層的一個教練而已
大家都練全場壓迫 沒事幹嘛拿自己的工作機會開玩笑
抱歉打錯字洪
這件事在美國主要是教練間在討論，因為你去問小孩
在意的小孩常常是問不到的(詳生存者偏差) XD
到底要幾篇 夠了吧
我覺得這篇很好啊！多幾篇國外的作法就能讓那些支
化的人
想請問如果在這樣的規則下，他們的球衣會針對年級
做出區別嗎？還是有照年級分級之類的，不然裁判怎
麼知道這個球員可以做什麼動作
開始模糊焦點到當事者在不在意 或是規則沒說不行
不然就是開大絕要你去跟籃協反映
回樓上，前幾天有些人在說這樣打小朋友心裡會有陰影
，可能以後會因此不打籃球從而使人才流失之類的，
說當事者不在意不算模糊焦點吧
總是要有人試圖衝撞這種僵化的風氣 也總是有人願意
埋沒在大眾的洪流裡
有討論 有關注 有什麼不好？ 還是想要回到一潭死水
？
這個議題真的會讓某些人看了很不舒服嗎？
當事者教練不在意 難道就不值得討論了嗎？我若是家
長 而且是看得懂球的家長 比賽結束後必會跟教練反映
比分拉開後還在全場壓迫 那我們也可以來個惡意犯規
則
好好的一個小學比賽搞得像教練的飯碗殊死戰......
我不是說不值得討論啦，只是我覺得說當事者不在意
不是模糊焦點而已，剛剛沒看到噓文的內容，不過這是
要跟教練反應什麼？以後不要報這種比賽嗎？
做為家長這種想法不好吧，人家好歹是用實力跟你玩，
結果你因為被欺負就要去害別人受傷，家長這樣教孩子
不妥吧
我若是家長 會跟校方反映 寧可失敗而不速成的教練才
留
就像棒球牛棚熱身算不算投球數？我們就不懂得保護自
己的選手，無論是身體還是心理
瞭解，看來誤會了，抱歉，不過這要學校很有心想要
做慈善才會接受吧，不然小朋友整天練球結果一直輸
學校應該也扛不住
籃協拜託多做點事吧
按照洪全力以赴邏輯，棒球大幅領先對手，可以瘋狂盜
壘XD~
不然就是放水嚕!
藉由這次事件找出問題 跟當事人在不在意有什麼關係
難怪台灣運動永遠不會進步 只要說別人在鬧
美國看新冠防疫就知道 他們過往的成功經驗早就跟不
上時代變遷無法與時俱進 拿他們的籃球規則當金科玉
律是毫無意義且早已過時了
不要倒果為因，先搞清楚美國的教練是因為有了規則才
世界排名第一的美國果然相當過時
Push
這篇才是正確觀念 教練也要懂得變通
但一切都要在合乎情理法狀況
拿武漢肺炎跟籃球比 也是Orz...這個邏輯...
不要倒果為因，先搞清楚美國的教練是因為有了規則才
這麼做，還是沒有了規則一樣這麼做，今天一昧的希
望他為了大家的理想去衝撞體制，然後呢？失敗了真
的被封殺了，一直輸球所以被學校換了，家長認為他是
爛教練所以投訴他了，你各位願意為了他出來發聲嗎？
還是只發個兩篇不會對你生涯有什麼影響的文譴責一下
，想清楚這是他們吃飯的工具，不像各位沒有籃球頂多
換個東西看而已
樓上就是符合他講的：靠籃球吃飯
但....他們是小學生，懂嗎？12歲以下，懂嗎？
這場比賽77:0 誰輸？
有討論才是好事，難道要每天看豪哥在CBA的新聞?
全場壓迫防守是哪一隊？
不就是因為他有不用繼續靠籃球吃飯的本錢才期望他
衝撞體制 燒肉店開那麼多間不差這一個教職的錢吧
如果連一個前國手的等級都沒辦法衝撞是要誰去衝？
而且比分差距那麼大要怎麼一直輸？
打到65:0 喊暫停，換另一批替補上去，上去幹嘛？
替補上去繼續全場壓迫，對手連半場都過不去
有人會說小朋友都不在乎，你們這些大人在乎什麼？
會去打的，當然不在乎阿，教練事先都教好了
小朋友很聽話的，那會在乎的呢？還有在打籃球嗎？
可能他會說不打的吃不了籃球飯吧xd
國小就以籃球為志業
對阿，國小就覺得不該吃這行飯，趕緊轉行
洪教練跟大家講，小學生就該立定志向，不行就該走
洪教練是不是這個意思？哈哈
10~12歲就要想清楚你要幹嘛 XD
小學比賽一節6分鐘，每個球員最多只能打兩節
對北投替補球員來說是難得發揮的機會吧
假設平常只練包夾突然要換也很突然
也沒必要把小孩心態想這麼玻璃
我先解釋你不懂的地方給你聽
防守者跟進攻者要站在同一側
因為實力不濟被虐就不喜歡打球那不打也罷吧
意思是必須要積極回防，不鼓勵利用對手非受迫性失誤
或是投籃沒進而長傳打快攻
小學生不靠籃球吃飯，但教練靠籃球吃飯。球員就認
分乖乖聽教練的，不然我教練被炒責任你學生扛啊？
推找資料，那你知道小六是12歲嗎
籃協連個歸化都搞不定覺得會在意這個？
講的好像北投每一場都包夾壓迫到底一樣
不覺得這議題吵越久反而讓小朋友傷害更深嗎
所以美國真的是籃球大國，想法與制度非常完善
如果美國可以壓迫 台灣規定不行 風向又不同了XD
如果nba比sbl爛 風向的確會不同啦 如果
如果洪是美國籃協理事長 我相信美國都可以盡情壓迫
會變成美國可壓迫競爭力強 台灣關起門來自爽XD
沒寫在規則裡 一堆人要洪遵守是怎樣
有人崩潰就表示這議題踩到痛處了 XD
因為不在規則裡，才來討論，看主管單位要不要接招
所有人都知道，要改變環境有多難，改變自己去適應
環境會快很多，如果覺得小孩有天份，就盡快送到適合
的環境中，看看多少發光發熱的國人，基本都不在國
內環境下發光。
推原po找資料討論~
等臺灣確定有規則再說吧，不然現在洪也沒錯啊
有些聯盟grade7-8領先10分以上禁用全場壓 想想gra
de 8都中二了 XD
有些人邏輯很不錯 沒規定=沒錯 真是好棒棒
不論運動規則甚至法律也都是會更新的
只能說不懂而這樣做是沒錯啦 但在規則下
用快捷的方式為的是勝利而不是成長跟教育
又另一回事了好嘛 那些教練會不懂？
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[花邊] Curry：我的球技女生也可以學Warriors’ Steph Curry puts gender equity at center of his elite high school camp Curry在自己舉辦的訓練營中，加入了"性別平等"這一主題。 "We’re just trying to normalize that basketball is basketball, and celebrate the game," Curry said Thursday. "My hope is to give the girls coming through the ranks something potentially to look forward to, being part of this experience and having access to me and our squad and what we do." "And, also, for the boys, to give them the perspective that it’s not just them hooping. Girls can do this, too. And they should encourage, celebrate it and support it. And hopefully that carries throughout their careers as well."![[花邊] Curry：我的球技女生也可以學](https://i.imgur.com/rpYfW9jb.jpg "[花邊] Curry：我的球技女生也可以學")
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[外絮] 字母哥：看比賽會緊張所以沒關注塞爾提克字母哥：看比賽會緊張所以沒關注塞爾提克，但我知道他們很強 Boston is a dangerous rival, but Giannis hasn't paid much attention to that. The 2x NBA MVP recently restated that he doesn't watch basketball and hasn't been w atching the Boston Celtics, a team that performed really great during the first round of the postseason.![[外絮] 字母哥：看比賽會緊張所以沒關注塞爾提克](https://fadeawayworld.net/.image/t_share/MTg5MTMyNzE3MDYzOTM5ODY0/giannis-boston.jpg "[外絮] 字母哥：看比賽會緊張所以沒關注塞爾提克")
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