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: 推 shrink5566 : 年底的F16可以解決這件事嗎 08/19 00:12
不一定
因為烏克蘭空軍 還在學英文(20人) 原本就能說英語的 還湊不齊一中隊(8人)
年底是否能解決這件事情 得取決於烏克蘭飛行員 多快能學好英文
雖然 紐時直接說今年不可能 但要知道 歐美很喜歡聖誕送大禮的
很有可能會趕聖誕節在這個時間宣布
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/world/europe/ukraine-f16-jets-nato.html
關於F16重點摘要 完整新聞見後
Why hasn’t Ukraine received F-16s?
For months, President Volodymyr Zelensky and other senior Ukrainian officialshad been calling for the United States and other countries to provide Kyiv
with F-16s. But the Biden administration, which must approve any transfers ofthe American-made planes, had resisted.
After a push by Britain and the Netherlands, President Biden said in May thathe would allow Ukrainian pilots to be trained on the jets, a sharp reversal
that moved toward letting other countries give the planes to Ukraine.
However, American officials have said that Ukraine has identified only eight
combat pilots — less than a single squadron — who speak English well enough
to start a period of training expected to last at least a year. About 20
others are being sent to Britain this month to learn English.
“Ukrainian pilots will return from the training, and the planes will come
back with them,” Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said on
Thursday. “Maybe they won’t arrive right in the cockpits, but it will be a
synchronized process,” he said.
完整新聞
Ukraine Says Kyiv Won’t Receive F-16 Fighter Jets This Year
烏克蘭空軍發言人說 烏克蘭今年內不會得到F16
4.完整新聞內文:
A spokesman for the Ukrainian Air Force said the advanced planes wouldn’t
arrive by winter, meaning they won’t play a role in the latest
counteroffensive push.
引述烏克蘭空軍發言人的說法 今年冬天前 F16 不會到達
意味者 F16 將不會在春季大反攻中起到作用
Ukraine will not receive F-16 fighter jets from its allies this year as
hoped, a spokesman for the country’s Air Force said late Wednesday,
confirming that, as expected, the advanced planes won’t play a role in the
current counteroffensive.
大意同上段 重複一遍
“It is already obvious that we will not be able to protect Ukraine with F-16
fighters this autumn and winter,” Yuriy Ihnat, the spokesman, told Ukrainian
television. “We had high hopes for this aircraft,” he added.
顯而易見 F16不會在今秋或東到達烏克蘭
"我們對F16有很高的期待 "
他同烏克蘭電視台描述
Here’s what to know about Ukraine’s longstanding requests for F-16s.
下面就是廢話 無聊的可以自己慢慢看
What is the F-16?
First flown in 1976, the F-16 “Fighting Falcon” is a supersonic fighter jet
used by militaries in 25 countries for air-to-air combat and air-to-ground
strikes. It is built by the American defense contractor Lockheed Martin and
manufacturers in Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands and Norway.
The jet is widely considered to be versatile, lightweight and cost-effective
— with a price tag of up to $63 million, depending on the model, according
to some estimates. There are approximately 3,000 in active military service
worldwide, including hundreds in the U.S. Air Force and Navy.
Why does Ukraine want the jets?
Ukraine has Soviet-era MIG and Sukhoi fighter jets, but has argued that F-16scould enable it to achieve air superiority, something neither side has
decisively attained since Russia launched its full-scale invasion in February2022.
Ukraine has said F-16s could beef up its air defenses, as frequent barrages
of Russian missiles exhaust Kyiv’s ground-launched systems. They would also
enable Kyiv’s forces to more effectively combat Russian attack helicopters
targeting Ukrainian tanks and armored vehicles. Without the jets, it is also
much harder for Ukraine to put in effect the combat tactics of NATO countrieswhose forces have been training the country’s military.
Why hasn’t Ukraine received F-16s?
For months, President Volodymyr Zelensky and other senior Ukrainian officialshad been calling for the United States and other countries to provide Kyiv
with F-16s. But the Biden administration, which must approve any transfers ofthe American-made planes, had resisted.
After a push by Britain and the Netherlands, President Biden said in May thathe would allow Ukrainian pilots to be trained on the jets, a sharp reversal
that moved toward letting other countries give the planes to Ukraine.
However, American officials have said that Ukraine has identified only eight
combat pilots — less than a single squadron — who speak English well enough
to start a period of training expected to last at least a year. About 20
others are being sent to Britain this month to learn English.
“Ukrainian pilots will return from the training, and the planes will come
back with them,” Ukraine’s foreign minister, Dmytro Kuleba, said on
Thursday. “Maybe they won’t arrive right in the cockpits, but it will be a
synchronized process,” he said.
Can Ukraine’s counteroffensive be successful without the jets?
The counteroffensive Ukraine launched in June has yet to achieve a decisive
breakthrough in the face of well-entrenched Russian defenses. And Ukrainian
pilots will not be trained on the advanced aircraft in time to assist and
protect the ground forces waging the campaign.
But officials in Ukraine, the United States and Europe, as well as Western
defense analysts, have said in interviews that they believe Kyiv’s campaign
could still prevail without the jets — though it is likely to be much more
difficult.
5.完整新聞連結 (或短網址)不可用YAHOO、LINE、MSN等轉載媒體:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/17/world/europe/ukraine-f16-jets-nato.html
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還有其他因素會影響烏克蘭拿到F-16的時間
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