Re: [分享] 柯比：烏加入北約的前提是先打贏俄羅斯

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: 記者：你能不能把烏克蘭加入北約的條件說清楚？
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: 白宮國家安全會議戰略溝通協調官柯比： 首先，他們(烏克蘭)要先打贏這場戰爭。
: 我們(美國)正全力來確保他們能夠打贏。
: First, they got to win this war. We are doing everything we can to make sure: they can do that," Kirby said.
: 看來烏克蘭是加入確定了?!

要想討論這個問題
我們要先知道訪問的前後文在講什麼

很簡單
我們只要點進去美國政府公布那一天的稿子
看一下就知道內容在說什麼了

https://reurl.cc/XGrVje

由於當天實際上還訪問了 以色列 菲律賓 古巴 習近平

我們單獨看一下烏克蘭議題就好 有點長

首先記者問了
Q ：Thanks, John. Thanks, Karine.
Secretary General Stoltenberg was talking about
once the current fighting in Ukraine ends
that the ultimate security guarantee to prevent it from happening again
-that Russia invades again -is Article 5 from NATO.
He seemed to be very clear that
Ukraine should be admitted into NATO after the current fighting ends.

謝謝John謝謝，Karine
秘書長Stoltenberg表示
一旦烏克蘭目前的戰鬥結束
防止再次發生（俄羅斯再次入侵）的最終安全保障就是北約第五條
他似乎非常清楚在目前的戰鬥結束後
烏克蘭應該加入北約

Q ：Is that a — is — can you speak to that? Is that a commitment that the U
.S. shares, feels — that once this cur- — once this current fighting ends, t
hat — feels strongly that Ukraine can get into NATO?

那你能說一下嗎？ 這是美國所共有的承諾嗎
一旦目前的戰鬥結束，就會強烈感覺到烏克蘭可以加入北約？

MR. KIRBY: The President has said that he believes that NATO is in Ukraine’s future. And there’s — there’s a lot of things that have to be done before
they can join the Alliance, like any member has to do before they can join the Alliance. But the President believes firmly that NATO is in Ukraine’s future at some point.

KIRBY：總統說過他相信北約是烏克蘭的未來
在加入聯盟之前 他們需要做很多事情
就像任何成員在加入聯盟之前都必須做的那樣
但總統堅信北約在某個時候會影響烏克蘭的未來

Q：But those — those conditions that have been — have been, you know, ki- —
it’s somewhat a little bit vague. It’s been a very di- — it has not been
a very clear pathway when would they be able to do the action—

但是那些…那些已經存在的條件..
你知道，有點模糊 這是一個非常困難的…
這還不是一個非常明確的途徑
他們什麼時候能夠採取行動

Q ：What are the specific conditions that Ukraine needs to meet?

烏克蘭需要滿足哪些具體條件？

MR. KIRBY ：The Alliance has talked about and the United States has certainly talked about, first, they got to win this war. All right? They got to win the war first. And so, number one, we’re doing everything we can to make sure they can do that.

MR. KIRBY：聯盟已經談過了 美國當然也談過了
首先他們必須贏得這場戰爭
好的？他們首先要贏得戰爭
因此 第一點 我們正在盡一切努力確保他們能夠做到這一點

Then when the war is over,
no matter what it looks like,
they’re still going to have a long border with Russia
and a legitimate security threat to the Ukrainian people.
That’s why the President at the —
at the G7 signed our bilateral security agreement joining
— what? — some other —
14, 15 other countries that have done the same thing
to make sure that, for the long haul,
Ukraine’s defense industrial base
can continue to make sure that they have what they need
to defend themselves,
and that includes assistance from the United States.
That’s the long haul.

然後當戰爭結束時 無論情況如何
他們仍然與俄羅斯有很長的邊界
並對烏克蘭人民構成合法的安全威脅
這就是為什麼總統在G7簽署了我們的雙邊安全協議並加入了什麼？
其他 14、15 個國家也做了同樣的事情
以確保從長遠來看烏克蘭的國防工業基礎
能夠繼續確保他們擁有自衛所需的東西
其中包括來自烏克蘭的美國援助 這才是長遠的事

That will help — that will help them defend themselves while they work on the necessary things they have to do, like any member of the Alliance has to work on — for instance, on corruption — before they can apply for NATO membershi
p.

But we do believe that NATO is in Ukraine’s future, and we’re going to work
with them every step of the way to

get them there.
這將有所幫助
這將幫助他們在做必要的事情的同時保護自己
就像聯盟的任何成員在申請加入北約之前必須做的事情一樣
例如反貪腐
但我們確實相信北約是烏克蘭的未來
我們將與他們合作把他們帶進那裡

Q：Is corruption still a major concern for
腐敗是否仍是以下方面的一個主要問題：

MR. KIRBY: Corruption is a concern.
But there’s — there’s certainly o- — other things that need to be done for
any — any nation that wants to join the Alliance.

And I want to reiterate that joining the Alliance is an Alliance decision; it’s not something the United States can just make happen magically. It has to be done through the existing Allies as well.

MR. KIRBY：貪腐是一個令人擔憂的問題
但對於任何想要加入聯盟的國家來說
他們當然還有其他事情要做

我想重申 加入聯盟是整體聯盟的決定
這不是美國可以神奇地實現的事
這也必須透過現有的盟友來完成

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聽過Membership Action Plan嗎？ 北約理事會的決議 想要加入的國家需要透過提交自家的年度國家計畫方針 來為未來可能的成員資格做準備 這些涵蓋政治 經濟 國防 資源 安全和法律層面 你覺得貪腐重不重要？ 美國總統判什麼罪？ 貪腐？ 你要確定哦